Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Proposal for the "Cross-Reference" dialog

Hi Paulo, Björn,

Sorry, for not having provided any news for a long time... but events
are accelerating these past few weeks (family and work events). I'll
have a look at your proposals once it'll calm down on my side.

--
Cedric

On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 17:26 +0100, Björn Balazs wrote:
> Hi Paulo, Cederic, all,
>
> Am Samstag, 22. Januar 2011, 11:23:03 schrieb Paulo Jos�:
> > Hi all!
> >
> > I had not seen that others has replied to the original thread, including
> > great improvements like a proposal to change the dialog to one (or more)
> > wizard. I really apologize for that. Maybe if I had read them, I had
> > take them into account and my propose could fit to the previous ideas.
> > Now I see that there are much work to be done on the issue, essencialy a
> > deep study of all possibilites of integration with other dialogs and
> > measure the usability/accessibility aspects intrinsic to the change.
> > I don't know exactly how to start. So I wait for a direction, maybe
> > given by Cedric or Bj�rn, already involved in good approaches (and
> > solutions) for this issue.
> >
> > My apologizes,
> > ~Paulo
>
> My appologies for not stronger pointing to this being a thread. But I think 
> this:
>
> > On 21-01-2011 21:29, Paulo Jos� Amaro wrote:
> > > I made a superfitial analysis of usability and acessibility of the
> > > "Cross-Reference" dialog of Fields options and some proposes. Please
> > > see them in my user page the wiki. Comentaries, tips and changes will
> > > be very welcome! :)
> > >
> > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Paulojose#Improving_the_.22Cross
> > > -Reference_Window.22_UI_in_Fields_dialog_.402010-01-21
>
> is not a waste of time, because you had the time to get to know this dialogue 
> much better and hey - we need to iterate towards a good solution anyhow.
>
> So how can this dialogue be improved?
>
> I think the approach of a tabbed interface is wrong in the first place. Why?
>
> What do user do in here? They want to INSERT a field / variable etc. or 
> CONFIGURE the set field. 
>
> What will user NOT do in here? User do not want to change a set field to 
> something totally different in this dialogue. If they want to do so, they can 
> simply delete the set field and add a new one.
>
> What is the conclusion? 1. We need to make it as easy as possible to find the 
> right field for the user.  2. We need to make it as easy as possible to 
> configure the set field (e.g. update the date in a fixed date field).
>
> How can we achieve this?
> 1. We need a wizard, that really helps the user to find the field he needs. 
> This is basically the content included in the tabs and in the "Type" column. 
> Also some content of the "Select" column would be of relevance (e.g. the 
> Select column for Type==Sender or Type==Statistics should rather be included 
> in the wizard, while the Select Column of Type==Date or Type==Author would 
> rather be part of step 2.
>
> 2. For each Field the user can insert we need a specialized dialogue that 
> allows to intuitively configure the content of the field. Perhaps we need to  
> allow some interaction like: remove the field and start the wizard again to 
> insert a new field without loosing relevant formating options - but I am not 
> sure about that.
>
> So, Paulo - and anyone else interested: 
>
> I guess we should start with step 1. How should a wizard look like that allows 
> the user to comfortabely select the wanted field? This wizard should be 
> capable to add any new functionality that can possible make it into LibO at 
> any time. It should be informative, so the user knows wether he has found the 
> right field and it could make suggestions about any related field, the user 
> might be searching for.
>
> Once we have a solution for this, we can then make our way through the 
> individual dialogues needed to present the different kind of fields (2.).
>
> What do you think? Please provide mocks that we can discuss!
>
> Best,
> Björn
> -- 
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-- 
Cédric Bosdonnat
LibreOffice hacker
http://documentfoundation.org
OOo Eclipse Integration developer
http://cedric.bosdonnat.free.fr


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