Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?

On Wed, 5 Feb 2014, Robert Holtzman wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 01:37:52PM +0000, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > Such attitude is dying out.
> >
> > Modern devices almost entirely force people into top-posting and
> > almost all people new to mailing-lists will have no idea about the
> > possibility of doing anything other than top-posting.  Some allow
> > users to reconfigure their devices to bottom-post but it's beyond most
> > users.
>
> That doesn't mean they can't/shouldn't learn.

I wholly concur that top-posting is a scourge and especially if the 
post is not trimmed; sometimes I just skip posts since I cannot figure 
out what in the long tail of to and fro the poster is referring and 
replying to, esp top-posted one-liners that make no sense. it's just 
not worth it.

and Tom's post here is irrelevant to the issue why one _should_ 
bottom-post, trim and put comments in-line but he provides valuable 
understanding of the forces against the practice.

I don't see that we all will come to agreement so that cannot be the 
point of these discussions. I think we could give them some point if 
the one side would provide a succinct summary of what it considers 
good reasons for top-, and the other side provides good reasons for 
bottom-posting.

at least that would or can shed light on the issues and lessen the 
heat. maybe.

people will make their own judgments, some will change their 
practices, most won't of course but we'll (or may) get beyond tossing 
salad or shotputs or whatever.

we could write a page somewhere and give a link to it whenever the 
topic a-flames again.

(I'm stopping here; maybe this is middle-posting?)

F.

> > Bottom posting requires a ton of extra work such as trimming and such
> > which office workers really do not have time for.  it might have been
> > a better system but we let MS dictate how we do emailing and now we
> > have to live with that or accept increasing unpopularity.
>
> I really hope you don't mean that trimming is a waste of time. Ever see
> a reply to a digest message that quoted the whole digest. What fun.
>
> > Hopefully this mailing list helps people learn that bottom posting is
> > widely used in Open Source projects and helps them become more
> > familiar with doing so.  Other successful gateway projects also use
> > top-posting a lot, for example Firefox, Ubuntu and others.  Ones that
> > remain unpopular or have a hard time attracting new people (such as
> > Evolution) insist on bottom posting and sees almost all enquirers
> > leave rather than become involved.  It is sad but we kinda have to
> > live with the way things are rather than the way we might prefer them
> > to be.
>
> That outlook would mean that we (US) would still be under British rule.
>
> Tell it to any country that has overthrown an autocratic ruler.
>
>         .......snip.......
>
> There is a special spot in hell for people who overquote *including
> multiple sigs and footers*.

--
Felmon Davis

It were not best that we should all think alike; it is difference of opinion
that makes horse-races.
                -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"

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