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Hi :)
So when people suffer data-loss due to using the internal back-end what is the Users List supposed 
to say?  I guess we just blame it on marketing not knowing about a known issue.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





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From: Jean Weber <jeanweber@gmail.com>
To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> 
Cc: "marketing@global.libreoffice.org" <marketing@global.libreoffice.org> 
Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013, 5:21
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information


Tom,
Base works fine for the many users who don't do anything more than dead simple stuff, so it's not 
a "horribly broken nightmare" for most people. Of course, for those affected, that's no doubt 
true. 

But give it a rest; by continually carrying on about it on the marketing list you accomplish 
nothing other than annoying people, most of whom can't solve the problem anyway.

Marc, I think your phrasing is good. The "also" definitely is appropriate and needed.

--Jean

On 10/05/2013, at 14:08, Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi :)
Yes, i took "also" out because when used with the internal back-end Base is a horribly broken 
nightmare.  It's only when used with an external back-end, such as an up-to-date untweaked 
version of HsqlDB (rather than the ancient mangled one inside Base) or even better with MySql / 
MariaDB or PostgreSQL or others that Base really becomes quite powerful.  

If i was trying to sell a car i wouldn't start the sales-pitch by pointing out the flat wheels 
and rattling exhaust-pipe!  
Regards from 
Tom :)  


________________________________
From: Marc Paré <marc@marcpare.com>
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 21:49
Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information


Sorry for getting back to this so late.

Thanks for the input Italo. I'll change the text. I also like Tom's 
version but I think without the "also" it sounds as if Base does not 
come as an installed database. If we were to put "also" back in, then 
the impression is that Base is an installed database but could also act 
as a frontend to the databases you mention.

How about if we had:

"Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. 
It is a valuable and powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice 
applications.  Base can also be a good front-end to many 
enterprise-class databases such as MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL."

Would this sound better? I think with the "also" included it clarifies 
what Base is all about, but, mentioning the MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL 
also shows that it is extensible.

Cheers,

Marc


Le 06/05/13 12:00 PM, Tom Davies a écrit :
Hi :)
+1
Perhaps remove "also" as Base is at it's strongest when used as a front-end.  It seems to be  
the default way of using Base and it's much easier to get Base to co-operate with that than it 
is with Access.  So, perhaps


Writer is a full-featured word processing application, which can also
work as a desktop publishing tool. It's simple enough to use for a quick memo, but powerful 
enough to create complete books with contents,
diagrams and indexes. You're free to concentrate on your message, while
Writer will make it look great.

Base is a desktop database
designed to meet the needs of most users.  It is a valuable and powerful
asset to link to the other LibreOffice applications.  Base can  be a good front-end to many 
enterprise-class databases such as MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL.


Regards from

Tom :)





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From: Italo Vignoli <italo.vignoli@gmail.com>
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Monday, 6 May 2013, 16:30
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information


Il 06/05/2013 17:18, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto:

Italo?

I would change slightly the Writer text and tone down the Base one.

My proposal:

Writer is a full-featured word processing application, which can also work as a desktop 
publishing tool. It's simple enough to use for a quick memo, but powerful enough to create 
complete books with contents, diagrams and indexes. You're free to concentrate on your 
message, while Writer will make it look great.

Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. It is a valuable and 
powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice applications. Base can also be used as a 
front-end to many enterprise-class databases.

-- Italo Vignoli - italo.vignoli@gmail.com
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