Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Stable? Seriously?? Fw: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.6.2

Hi :)
I'm sorry but that only seems to confirm what i have been saying :(  Obviously i am wrong but where 
is my mistake?  

When you say 
1.  "In each LibreOffice series, over the various minor releases, hundreds of bugs are fixed." it 
suggests, to me, that 'hundreds' of bugs are found at the beginning of a series.  Would that be 
around the 3.x.0, 3.x.1, 3.x.2 and 3.x.3?  The "various minor releases" are that 3rd figure?  So as 
that 3rd figure increases the number of fixed bugs increases?  So as we get to the .4s, .5s and 
onwards there are usually less bugs that cause problems?  

2.  "Bugs that have been introduced by making new features."  When do new features get added?  In 
my stupidity i have assumed that new features are mostly added at the beginning of the series, in 
the 3.x.0 release, maybe some in the 3.x.1 if they were not quite ready in time or some last minute 
hiccup meant they couldn't be active in the .0.  However i could be completely wrong.  Are a 
roughly equal amount of new features added at each "minor release"?  or is the .0 chosen as the 
best time to incorporate a load of new features?

3.  The rest of the paragraph seems to be things that both branches have in common.  "Bugs that 
have been introduced by improvements in code, performance.
Bugs that have become visible because other bugs were fixed. Bugs from
external reasons, bugs from ..
- What is a simple annoyance for the
one user, someone knowing ways to work around it in ample seconds, can
be a serious bug for someone with less computer skills.".  Possibly a bit more at the start of a 
series and at the start (the .0s, .1s) perhaps also affecting reasonably skilled users that perhaps 
aren't LO devs.  But basically that paragraph-fragment seems to cover all minor-point releases 
including the first.  

4.  "allows people  ... that can handle bugs (...)
more easily, to use the newer versions and benefit from the
improvements and new features that it offers."  Are these newer versions the start of the series?  
(the .0s, .1s, .2s?)  Or is that referring to every minor-point release?

5.  "so that at a certain time it will be ready for more conservative, more careful, users and 
organisations.".  Does this mean that more conservative users should not use LO at all until the 
series has settled down or do they just have to suffer through the problems of the early 
minor-point releases in the series or might they be better staying with the older branch's more 
recent minor-point releases such as the .4s, .5s, .6s?  

See?  I think this point 5 is where i am going wrong.  I have been thinking that it's better for 
"conservative, more careful, users" to stick with the older branches latest releases.  Obviously 
(to you and Charles) i am wrong and there is no need for the older branch.  Or is there?  


Just to make it clear to anyone new that i DO NOT often find any problems with LO.  It knocks the 
socks off MS Office.  There does tend to be quite a spike around the release of the new series 
until it reaches around 3.x.4.  However, i overhear more grumbles about MS Office from MS-fanboys 
in my little town than i hear from LO's international, global, world-spanning users support list in 
the course of an average day.  

Also bear in mind that "you can't make omelettes without breaking eggs".  LO makes huge 
improvements all the time and in many ways already surpasses MS Office in terms of quality of final 
documents produced and ease of producing them.  

Regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Thu, 4/10/12, Cor Nouws <oolst@nouenoff.nl> wrote:

From: Cor Nouws <oolst@nouenoff.nl>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Stable? Seriously?? Fw: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation 
announces LibreOffice 3.6.2
To: "marketing@global.libreoffice.org" <marketing@global.libreoffice.org>
Cc: "charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org" <charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org>
Date: Thursday, 4 October, 2012, 22:45

Hi,

Tom Davies wrote (04-10-12 20:28)
> Hi :) Seriously.  What is the reason for having 2 branches?
> [...]

Ah well, who am I to say that you can't understand it. Though the way this thread was started, does 
not show much (will for) understanding, IMHO. But OK, brief...

- In each LibreOffice series, over the various minor releases, hundreds of bugs are fixed.
Bugs that have their origin in the inherited OOo code (registered alone there were many thousands). 
Bugs that have been introduced by making new features. Bugs that have been introduced by 
improvements in code, performance. Bugs that have become visible because other bugs were fixed. 
Bugs from external reasons, bugs from ..
- What is a simple annoyance for the one user, someone knowing ways to work around it in ample 
seconds, can be a serious bug for someone with less computer skills.
- Simply having two series, allows people and (smaller) organisations that can handle bugs (...) 
more easily, to use the newer versions and benefit from the improvements and new features that it 
offers.
And it allows them to help with further improvements in that series of LibreOffice, so that at a 
certain time it will be ready for more conservative, more careful, users and organisations.

I tend to do nearly all my professional work (quotations, presentations, reports, mailings ...) in 
beta's/ dailies / developer builds. It's rare that that gives me too much trouble, or causes lost 
of work. It does cause me spending time on trying reporting carefully written bug-reports ;-)  But 
that's only me, and there's of course many functions that I only touch seldom or not at all.

Cheers,


--  - Cor
 - http://nl.libreoffice.org
 - www.librelex.org


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