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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Tom Davies <tomcecf -AT- gmail.com>
Sun, 11 Oct 2015 19:45:30 +0100

Hi :)
The original question was about getting the newer versions installed.
Ubuntu, especially their LTSes, tends to have quite old versions.

Many people take a while to realise they are fine to keep using older
versions, even ones that are no longer officially supported.  Others enjoy
being on the bleeding edge or as close as they can get, possibly for the
thrill of it but maybe because it can be so dangerous with proprietary
software.

There are PPAs for both branches (i believe so anyway there were last time
i looked) and those can be used for Ubuntu, Mint and presumably many other
distros in the Debian family.  It's also possible to install the "upstream"
version directly from the website and both Andreas and ZenWiz gave us good
instructions for doing that. :)  Then the whole thread took a left turn and
got (imo) very exciting and interesting :)
Regards from
Tom :)




On 11 October 2015 at 17:50, Jay Lozier <jslozier@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

Looking at the subject line I am confused. Ubuntu ships with a version of
LO in each release and LO is in the official Ubuntu repositories. So what
was the actual question, which was never clear to me. The only question
that made any sense was how to install a Ubuntu ppa for the latest stable
LO release but that did seemed to be the question. Adding a ppa is an easy
process.

AFAIK most Linux desktop distros ship with LO as the office package with a
few shipping with Calligra. In either case the other is often in the
distro's repository and is usually trivial to install using the distro's
package management tools.

Jay


On 10/11/2015 12:25 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

Le 11 octobre 2015 17:28:30 GMT+02:00, Tom Davies <tomcecf@gmail.com> a
écrit :

Hi :)
Many Gnu&Linux distros offer their own somewhat independent support
through
their own forums, mailing lists and bug-report systems.

That type of support is not available to Windows users and may not be
available to Mac people.


However it is true that there are many other support systems available
and
those are (hopefully) available for all OSes.  There may be local
support
such as a shop or relative who understands one OS better than others.

All support from TDF is available to anyone regardless of which OS so
that
give Gnu&Linuxs users yet another set of places to get support from.
It's
usually helpful if we know which OS or at least platform in order to be
able to give more specific and relevant support rather than talking in
general terms.  However this seldom includes much help for those who
are
stuck on older versions.

Also there are professional support services which can be paid for.
Again
these services can often provide support for a variety of platforms and
OSes.  This often includes tier 3 (or level 3) support so that might
well
include support for older versions.

+1 good description.

So one of the few places that doesn't support the notion of a "Long
Term
Support" type release is TDF itself!  TDF say it cant be done.  Other
places just get on with it and do it.


Also you might add that TDF does not offer LTS because TDF is not a
business and therefore has no incentive in a LTS version which only makes
sense if you monetize it. The poster example of this is Canonical and
Ubuntu LTS.  Canonical makes money on LTS and is only able to do so because
the LTS itself is a profitable business.  Otherwise you would not even hear
of it. Businesses looking for something very similar to a LTS version of
LibreOffice can contact our certified developers and their companies though.

Best,

Charles.

Regards from
Tom :)



On 11 October 2015 at 13:15, Charles-H. Schulz <
charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

Le 11 octobre 2015 11:44:33 GMT+02:00, Alex Thurgood <

alex.thurgood@gmail.com> a écrit :

Le 10/10/2015 23:36, Italo Vignoli a écrit :

Suffice it to say that Andreas is a vociferous participant in this
discussion list, but that doesn't make his criticisms any less
justified
or relevant. What he dislikes is badly implemented change for

change's

sake, and that is an inherent problem in LibreOffice's development.

The

project from the start has sacrificed behavioural stability with

regard

to the end user for feature creep. We are quite clearly in the

"bazaar"

mode of the cathedral and bazaar dichotomy, where no overlying

dictatorship (benevolent or otherwise) exists to govern the

direction

code development should take. This has positive and negative effects

the positive being that people can just turn up and work on the

thing

they want to implement - the negative being the law of unintended

consequences, or collateral damage, i.e. bugs newly introduced that
change long standing behaviour to which users have become

accustomed.

Fortunately, there are still people like Andreas to call the code

contributors out on those decisions.

I would suggest putting yourself in an admin's place where they have
probably invested long hours in developing a turnkey
OpenOffice/LibreOffice solution for their group of users, then

finding

one day that that longstanding behaviour has changed because someone

else has not thought through a code change due to the tentacular

nature

of the code base with no one having an overarching knowledge of it

all,

and you will perhaps understand Andreas' frustration (which I happen

to

share and have voiced it on the mailing lists in the past).


At present, long term support (bug fixes, security updates) for

older

versions is to my knowledge only available on Linux and only with

regard
to certain distributions. If you are not on Linux, then you are

stuck

playing catch up with versions that successively introduce new bugs

or

behaviours that don't get fixed for at least several point releases,

or

for certain OSes, over multiple major version releases. Steve's

mention

in this thread of EPS support and printing is just yet another

illustration of a change that was made that has a huge impact on
non-Linux OSes - all because someone thought it would be a good idea

to

make that change without providing a solution for all platforms.

Video

support in Impress is yet another issue that got significantly worse

with the move to the 4.x branch. What was the message we gave to our
users ? "Suck it up." There is only so much of that that users and
their
admins are prepared to do, and in the end, it won't be surprising if
people switch to another product that offers them greater longterm
stability where such changes are less invasive or devastating to the
day-to-day running of the organisation.


Alex









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Alex,

I do not know where you got that support and security updates are

only

available on Linux.  That is factually wrong and serious bullshit.

Get your

facts straight: support is the same for the three officially

supported

platforms: Windowslinux and OS X. Remember that many code

contributors have

customers too.

  As for calling developers on their responsibility that is quite easy
especiaIly when that call takes an oracular form: doing it in such a

way is

one of the things defining a troll. I wonder if Andreas does the same

for

AOO ? Something tells me that is not the case but I could be wrong.

Best,

Charles.
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