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Hi,

2013/10/3 Heiki "Repentinus" Ojasild <repentinus@fsfe.org>

Dear all,

I am a member of the Free Software Foundation Europe, and I am writing
this e-mail because I wanted to ask an Estonian governmental institution
to recommend LibreOffice to their visitors instead of an outdated
version of OpenOffice. I would happily point them to the Estonian
version of the LibreOffice site, which appears to be
<et.libreoffice.org>, which redirects to <libreoffice.ee>.


I am the Estonian translator of LibreOffice and (at least in theory)
manager of et.libreoffice.org. The redirect was my decision, because I
don't have time to maintain et.libreoffice.org myself and no volunteers
have stepped in to do it either. So I saw redirecting it to
libreoffice.ee(which at least gets updated) as a reasonable solution
until I or someone
else would have time to maintain et.libreoffice.org.

However, the content on that site has raised some concerns in me: The
site advertises LibreOffice mainly as "gratis" (tasuta) instead of
"free" (vaba) as in free speech; the site claims that either the site's
or the software's copyright belongs to the Free Software Foundation
("Autoriõigus © 2007, Free Software Foundation, Inc." in the footer),
which I seriously doubt; and the site also includes Facebook social
plug-in, which raises non-free JavaScript and privacy issues.


I am aware of this (except for the FB plugin issues, which I hadn't thought
about until now), thanks to Marc Paré, who wrote to me about it on June 19,
2012. I sent a message to the site maintainers after that, asking them to
fix these issues, but I never got a reply and they haven't corrected their
mistakes either.

I am fairly sure that The Document Foundation does not wish to advertise
LibreOffice as "gratis" instead of "free", and it seems to me that many
of the er… more unique aspects of <libreoffice.ee> are likely not
condoned by The Document Foundation.


I agree.

 I am afraid that in its current state I cannot recommend the Estonian
site in good conscience, and unfortunately there seems to be no
Estonian download page listing more than one platform and version of
the software on <libreoffice.org>, and thus a speedy resolution of the
aforementioned issues would be very welcome.


There is et.libreoffice.org/allalaadimine, but the text there is seriously
outdated by now.

Given the (long-lasting) problems with libreoffice.ee, I propose that I end
the redirect, so that it will no longer appear as if TDF approves of the
content of libreoffice.ee; and instead make et.libreoffice.org a very
low-content site where pretty much only the download page is visible and
semi-regularly updated. However, since libreoffice.ee does have useful info
in Estonian for users, I would still like to provide a link to it somewhere
on et.libreoffice.org, although this time with a disclaimer.

Would that resolve a part of the problem here?

I am looking forward to hearing from you. If I can be of assistance,
please do not hesitate to contact me.

P.S. Please be advised that, as The Document Foundation proudly claims
Richard Stallman and the FSF as their supporters and this issue affects
the image of the FSF, I will be forwarding a copy of this e-mail to them.


Perhaps it would help if you, as a representative of FSFE, contacted the
managers of libreoffice.ee, perhaps they are more motivated to reply to
FSFE than to a mere translator.

Best regards,
Mihkel Tõnnov
Estonian translator of LibreOffice

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