Re: [libreoffice-website] Idea: LibreOffice Mail Attachment Service

Hi Florian, *,

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Florian Effenberger
<floeff@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
> Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2011-03-07 17.18:
>
> > Oh, nothing that cannot be solved..
>
> let's see. :-)
>
> > No - why would you need backups for this? - It is not a file storage,
>
> Because we legally have to, unless people *BEFORE* using the service agree
> to different terms and policies. The question whether someone will actually
> hold us liable is a different one, but legally, we have to.

OK, no problem, just add this to the subscription-challenge response.
Problem solved.

> > it is explicitly temporary, for convenience of communicating. Add a
> > statement "the attachments can be deleted anytime..." The initial
>
> That statement would have to be visible and agreed upon *BEFORE* using the
> service, just like any terms of service have to.

Well, I don't see the reason why you would have to tell people that
(parts of) their mails are deleted after a while, but again: put it
into the subscription-mail and all is fine, isn't it?

> > proposal included an explicit expiry period, but you could also have
> > it by disk-quota or whatever.
>
> A different example: If a freemailer deletes e-mails of their customers
> after 30 days of inactivity, they can even be faced with criminal charges
> unless it's explicitly agreed upon *BEFORE* the use in the terms of service.

I don't see how you compare those two, but well, again this is easily solved.

> > What if someone paste's HarryPotter into the mails and sends it off to the
> > list?
>
> Agreed as well. However, the abuse possibilities for such a service are much
> higher. Imagine someone uploading porn.

Then that person would still have been subscribed, you would have full
mail-headers to track that person down.

> [...]
> I see this is a problem, indeed. The wiki could be used, as it has a higher
> barrier for abuse (registering, confirming, IP stored), but then the wiki
> would be cluttered with old files nobody purges.

Mails contain more information than this...

> [...]
> Just to be precisely clear here:
> We can start such a service, but from my legal understanding, this means we
> have to make full backups of the data at least for a senseful period of time

I absolutely don't see the need for this, if you can point me to
something that would clarify this.
Where it is legally written that you have to keep backups?

ciao
Christian

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