Re: [libreoffice-design] Specification for Document Background (...)

Hi Johannes, hi Christopher and Sébastien!

Am Dienstag, den 05.04.2011, 21:24 +0200 schrieb Johannes Bausch:
> Hey,
>
> cool topic. Has anyone tried something like that texture (the bumpy looking
> one on the mouse)?
> *http://tinyurl.com/3v5ym7t*

Not yet ... there have been several proposals in the past, the very best
description has been done by Johannes (coincidence? *g*) here:
http://www.johannes-eva.net/2009-07-new-application-background-ooo

The reason for using the scatter motif exclusively (or at least try to
do something with it) is, that we the Design Team decided to go with it
in general. It'll help us to get a consistent branding - the application
background is only one place.

> I've seen that once in an app and it looked damn classy.
> Given every second app gives the user a choice of customizing or theming the
> interface (chrome, firefox), why not let the user have a choice?

There is nothing that prevents us from providing people a choice -
although LibreOffice is currently not well prepared for that. But at the
very moment, it is much more important (to me), that we totally miss a
sensible default that works in most cases. Please let's get this right
first - and maybe Sébastien will find a way to make things (a bit more)
configurable.

> 2011/4/5 Christopher Stark <christopherstark@gmx.de>
[...]
> > I think the "Motif"-version of the background looks very nice!:
> >
> > The  "Gradient"-version is also nice, but not as interesting.
> > The regular shadows are a little boring I think.

Hehe, then it'll work well :-) My goal was to provide something that
will let users concentrate on their work ... but of course (as comments
like yours usually trigger some action on my side), I compared this to
some screenshots of competitors. And here I noticed that e.g. Word 2010
reduces most of the very intensive effects that have been introduced in
2007.

Further comments appreciated, of course ...

Cheers,
Christoph


[...]


> > Am 03.04.2011 21:58, schrieb Christoph Noack:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I promised to work "seriously" on the topic ... so here is what I've
> > > achieved so far.
> > >
> > > I was unable to "compress" the thoughts in one single mail, so I've
> > > started a dedicated wiki page (a.k.a. specification) to describe the
> > > behavior for all the applications. Now, there are proposals for:
> > >       * The document border (= outline and shadow)
> > >       * The application background, gradient
> > >       * The application background, motif (at the moment, it rather is
> > >         an idea to think about)
> > >
> > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Development/DocumentBackground
> > >
> > > @ Sébastien: I've stopped at some point, because I'd like to hear your
> > > comments, questions and your general opinion what can be implemented and
> > > whether you are still interested to work on this topic (I really hope so
> > > *g*).
> > >
> > > @ Nik: I'd like you to comment on the use of the motif patter - would
> > > that be somehow okay? Or maybe you have some improvement proposals ...
> > >
> > > @ Andrew: Does that still meet what you've intended with your proposal
> > > in fdo bug 31251? By applying the Tango Guidelines, I came very close to
> > > your initial shadow design.
> > >
> > > @ All: Please have a look at the specification and help to point out
> > > mistakes and issues ...
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Christoph
> > >
> > > Am Mittwoch, den 30.03.2011, 23:23 +0200 schrieb Christoph Noack:
> > > > Hi Sébastien, hi Design guys!
> > > >
> > > > Just a short update ...
> > > >
> > > > Am Mittwoch, den 09.03.2011, 07:57 +0100 schrieb Sébastien Le Ray:
> > > > > Hi again,
> > > > >
> > > > > Does one of you have a test build of LibreOffice or do you use released
> > > > > versions only? Since I'm going to make some more modifications to the
> > > > > design, I think this would be easier for us if some of the design team
> > > > > members had a master build to test modifications and give feedbacks.
> > > > > Screenshots are not always the best way to get a good feeling.
> > > > True, true.
> > > >
> > > > Since daily builds [1] are available for Linux (yeah - thanks to all who
> > > > made this possible), I gave it a try ... I've setup a VM with Fedora and
> > > > installed a daily build to do some initial testing. To all design
> > > > people, this might be a "please try this at home" message :-)
> > > >
> > > > So here is a screenshot of what I've got so far (default values):
> > https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/UOyGR1nLSKhY2uHbYqVPww?feat=directlink
> > > > Next step is to seriously work on the topic ...
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Christoph
> > > >
> > > > [1] http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/
> >
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