[libreoffice-design] Re: MimeTyme icons - Macro

Hi Christoph, all,

Christoph Noack wrote:
> Hi Mirek, hi Bernhard!
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 13.01.2011, 19:33 +0100 schrieb Mirek M.:
> > 2011/1/13 Bernhard Dippold <bernhard@familie-dippold.at>
> >
> > > [...]
> > > Here is the result:
> > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Macro_icon_proposal.png
> >
> >
> > I like it. +1
>
> A great start, but I'd like to add some thoughts as well. When I tried
> to collect some of the symbolism ideas, I've noticed that the new icon
> theme in LibO does not show any gear wheel :-( Instead, the icons there
> are a funny mix of everything ... so there is a need to decide whether
> to keep or not to keep the gear wheel.

I don't know where the menu icons derive (Tango?), but you're right: 
We should be (or at least become) consistent.
> This is what I've added to the wiki page: "The tango icons don't use a
> gear wheel for the macros. Sometimes it looks like a stack of paper, a
> piece of paper with syntax highlighted code, or a rectangular "play"
> button."
>
> So, if the gear wheel might be hard to identify, how about
> using/overlaying this play button? Personally, I think there is enough
> differentiation to media files. Up to you ...

I'm not quite sure - the play button is heavily connected to media in 
my *personal* perception. Bu this doesn't mean anything in general.

This topic might be a very good starting point for preforming user 
surveys (if this is possible with not too much effort): Present 
different symbols for macros and find out what they think about them.
> The longer I am looking at the (large) icons, the more I'd like to
> propose to use thicker lines for the code ... but then it gets (maybe
> too) similar to Writer.

That's been my problem - together with the intention to present not 
only the different colors, but the typical structure of loops and case
selection.

This is rather impossible with thicker lines.

And I didn't go away from the gear wheel as main symbol - the 
syntax highlighted text was meant only as second level symbolism.
> And, if I remember correctly, once you mentioned the terminal window
> surrounding that code. Did you try that (maybe you did, and there were
> good reasons to omit that)?

No I didn't. 

Together with window borders and a few buttons (of course <play>, 
perhaps <procedur step>, <single step> and <stop point> [don't know 
the correct English translation]) this might become a design that doesn't
need the gear wheel at all.

But I don't know how this will work in small scales (only the buttons?).

If we do a survey ...

At the moment I'd like to stick with this design, if nobody objects.

When we've finished a first version of the other icons, we can come back 
on this again.

> > > The gradient on the gear wheels is still too dark (should be the same as
> > > the document border), but I have to stop for tonight.
> > >
> > > I uploaded the source again to the known destination, linked from the Icon
> > > wiki page: (I updated the present work status)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Currently, I'm not sure what icon to pick tomorrow - maybe Math, or
> maybe Draw. Although I've spend too much time with Impress today, so
> something different helps to "tidy up" my mind. If anybody of guys wants
> to work on that, just let us know (on the list).

If you start the Math icon: I had an idea of combining the symbol(s) with a
smaller area for syntax input at the bottom - similar to the actual Math window.

Don't know if it works - just wanted to let you know...

Best regards

Bernhard




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