Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Illogical installer!

On 01/18/2012 12:44 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2012-01-18 8:49 AM, Andreas Säger <villeroy@t-online.de> wrote:
> > Am 18.01.2012 13:22, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
> > > Can anyone tell me the logic in this?
> > > If I download the English UK version, if I select Custom install, then
> > > ALL the language packs are disabled apart from English, yet all the
> > > dictionaries are ENABLED and I have to go through however many
> > > dictionaries there are and disable them one by one (unless anyone can
> > > tell me a better way!).
> > > Surely logic says that if all the language packs are disabled by 
> > > default
> > > other than the one for the relevant download, then all the dictionaries
> > > should be as well?
>
> > There is no need to enable or disable anything. You can write (and spell
> > check) English text with Russian figures in a Chinese GUI.
> > GUI language, numeric default locale and default text language are
> > completely independent from each other. Each snippet of text, each table
> > cell, field, input box and what else can be used in its own language
> > context.
>
> And for those of us who don't speak 2, 3 or 10 different languages, 
> and only need *one*?
>
> Gordon: it is a little easier to first disable the entire Dictionary 
> category (rather than doing each language individually), then expand 
> it and select only the desired language.
>
> And I agree with your complaint, but there is something else that bugs 
> me even more...
>
> From a previous email of mine:
>
> On 2011-08-31 12:46 PM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org> wrote:
> > Ok, this is really nuts...
> >
> > Before I go open up a bug about this, can anyone tell me why, if I
> > deselect all dictionaries except the one I need, who, in the Windows
> > Add/Remove Programs Support Info dialog, does it insist on showing it
> > with ALL languages, thus causing the support info window to be even
> > wider than my 24" 1920x1080 is capable of displaying in its entirety?
>
> and two minutes later I posted the exact same question as the OP...
I think the default should be if you do a custom install, the only 
dictionary in the list should match the language the user chooses.  It 
should be an easier way to do this.

I did not like the process it took to install a custom English install 
and not include all of the other language dictionaries.  I do not think 
that installing 20 or 30 non-English dictionaries BY DEFAULT is the best 
way to go.  For an English user, I do not want to see my Extension 
Manager list so filled with unused languages that I have a difficult 
time finding the extensions I did install or want to enable/disable from 
time to time.  Many English users might be turned off by this.

For a Windows user, having all these language packs and non-English 
dictionaries include with their download install file may be go or bad, 
but it should not be the default to install.  Also, if you do have the 
language packs include, why do you have to download the help packs 
separately?  It does not make sense.

Maybe Windows installs should be like Linux's version.  If you want any 
other language than English [and maybe no more than 5 others] you would 
need to download separate language and help packs for them.  Linux users 
have to do this.  It might be better to have Windows users do this as 
well.  Maybe there could be a download option to automatically create a 
download list for all of the language packs and help packs that the user 
requests.  That way he/she downloads only the languages they want or 
need.  The difference in file size could be 30 to 50 MB, but there might 
be a better solution than what is going on now.

I think that it should not be the default to install all of those 
dictionaries and language packs if the user does not use a custom 
install.  You should make it clear what is being installed by default so 
the user can make an informed choice.  Then make the custom install 
process easier and more intuitive to use.  If it is not easy for a users 
with 20 years of experience in installing software to do the process, 
how easy will it be for user with little experience at installing 
his/hers own software?

We need to make the process simpler. Period.
We need to make the default be something other than installing 30 
languages over English. Period.
We need to make custom installs easier to do. Period.




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