Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: one language in the installer libre office

On 01/25/2012 07:42 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2012-01-24 1:46 PM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > HI :)
> > Ahhh, it would be great if Windows had an official package manager
> > that could look after all the apps, not just the MS ones and could make
> > sure everything on the system got updated instead of just patches for
> > Window's own security flaws. Something that could help people pick and
> > choose the packages that got installed for a program so that you could
> > tell it what to install and then walk away with no need to hand-hold it
> > answering questions all the way through and with each program having
> > it's own different 'style'. Hmm, but then it would look a lot less like
> > Windows and might even be a little safer which would be a nightmare for
> > all those antivirus companies.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
>
> It would also be nice if Linux would migrate to a universal one size 
> fits all package manager that did everything on your wish list for a 
> windows package manager.
>
> Tom, please keep your stupid anti-microsoft rants to yourself.
There are a lot of issues that MS has to deal with that make it "easier" 
to use and install "certain" software packages.  Linux may have new and 
different ways of doing things that what people have done for years with 
MS desktops, but it does not mean that one is better than the other.  
Each has its good points and its bad points.  Now with MS going the way 
with its desktop interface with Win 8, like Ubuntu did going from GNOME 
2.x to Unity, there will be much to deal with then.  For now, most 
people prefer Windows over Linux for its ease of use.  Win 8 will change 
that opinion for many users.

So yes, the installer for MS Windows would be much better if it was 
broken down to installer file and language/help pack files, like Linux 
is currently doing.

NO, Windows is not better than Linux and Linux is not better than 
Windows, as it currently stands.  We all have our own opinions which is 
the better one, but it does not need to be discusses on this list.

The real issue is the way LO treats the different platforms with one not 
needing language packs while the other one does.  That should not be.  
It should be the same with all the platforms, download the installer 
file and download the language and help packs that are needed beyond the 
basic English ones in the install file.  If you do it for Linux and Mac, 
you should do the same for Windows.  It is only fair, is it not?

Also, with the reworking of parts of LO so it would work properly with 
Unity, the developers will/may need to do the same with Win 8's tablet 
style of interface on their Win 8 desktops and laptops.  Some articles 
are stating that people may move over to Linux [with not Unity style of 
desktop environment] once Win 8 comes out.  So we will need to help 
these Windows users with their needs, and not rant and rave about how 
bad Windows is/was.  We need to help them move over to LO from MSO and 
help anyone who moved from Windows to Linux with their issues and needs 
with dealing with LO in the Linux desktop environments.

I use Ubuntu for my desktop since early 2010.  I still use Windows for 
some systems though.  I like the way Linux has everything you may need 
for software packages without needing to pay all that blood-money for 
doing your needed work.  They should charge for their work, but not 
prices that seen to be made to suck as much blood-money as possible from 
its users.  Now Linux has issues with drivers for the most up-to-date 
devices, since volunteers have to buy the devices and write the drivers 
for them, instead of the device developers writing one for Linux.  
Although there are other issues that make Linux not the best for many 
users, it is still a vital platform of many.  Each has its good and bad 
issues.  Neither it a "perfect" platform.  So let us stop the "my 
platform is better than yours" issues here.  It is hard enough for LO 
users to get the Windows people to use a free package like LO over 
paying for MSO on their Windows systems.  There is where we need to 
target Windows users, not their use of Windows over Linux platforms.  We 
need to get users to switch to LO, not try to convince them to switch to 
Linux.  This is the real need.  This is what we need to keep our 
energies focused on.  LO is free and is just as good, or better, than 
MSO.  We need to prove it to its users.





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