Impress Guide - Toolbar Appendix 2nd Example

Hello

After some suggestions from the LO Doc Team, I have uploaded a second example IG7013-Toolbars-Example-Appendix-02 for the Impress Guide 7.0.

Standard toolbar now has a numbered list in columns instead of a screenshot for Visible Buttons.
Line and Filling toolbar has a table instead of a screenshot for Visible Buttons.

Comments and suggestions are more than welcome.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psauthor@gmail.com

Hi Peter,

Thanks again for your efforts on this.

I prefer the layout of information in the Standard toolbar section. To me it feels more concise than the table used for the Line and Filling toolbar.

My only question refers to the tick character. With one of these ticks selected, on my computer Writer reports that "the current font is not available and will be substituted" (in the tooltip on the Font Name box). The tick is visible but I wondered whether that will be the case for all users?

Regards,

Steve

Hello Steve

The layout for Standard toolbar is my preference.

The check mark is Zapf Dingbats font. Maybe that is why you get the font substitution message. I shall think of an alternative to use in Liberation Sans font. Any ideas?

I want to avoid using a graphic for the check mark. In macOS a check mark is used in Visible Buttons and in Windows the icon is highlighted for tools installed on a toolbar.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psauthor@gmail.com

Hello Steve and the Docs Team

One question needs answering.

Do I list the toolbars in the same order as shown in Figure 1, which is in alphabetical order. This context menu is opened by going to View > Toolbars on the main menu bar.

The alternative is to put the main toolbars first, then the minor toolbars. Question is which toolbars are the main toolbars? People will differ in opinion.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psauthor@gmail.com

Hi Peter,

100% agree about avoiding a graphical check mark.

What would you think about using the Liberation Sans "Combining Asterisk Above" special character (U+20F0) to indicate those functions that can only be accessed through the toolbar's right-click menu?

Regards,

Steve

Hi Peter,

In the Calc context, I could nominate a few main toolbars (probably those that are displayed when a fresh installation is first run - Standard and Formatting) but beyond that it would be very subjective as you suggest.

Alphabetical sounds simplest to me, as that would make it easier to locate details of a specific toolbar of interest within the appendix.

Regards,

Steve

Hello Steve

Not really visible. Decided to use the word in brackets (installed) next to each tool.

It needs something that is easily seen in a list and this seemed to be the best compromise.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psauthor@gmail.com

Hello Steve

Alphabetical it is. It is the easiest method and matches the context menu.

Peter Schofield
psauthor@gmail.com

Hello, Peter, and Steve,

I glanced through the second version of the drafted Appendix and wanted to
share my brief thoughts/feedback.

   - I agree, the layout in the Standard toolbar section is the better
   layout
   - Alphabetical to match the Figure 1 context menu would help provide
   quick and easy referencing
   - The *Zapf Dingbats* checkmark displayed with no issues, and when
   highlighted showed "Visible Button" -- If you're using "(installed)" to
   represent the checkmark, maybe make a note in the text of this substitution?

I hope this helps! Overall, I still think the idea is a great addition to
the guides.

Best,
Sam.

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Hello All,

I am concerned about appending the text "(installed)" to many entries in these lists. It seems like unnecessary clutter and I would prefer a simpler visual mark of some sort. I was a bit surprised that Peter felt that my suggestion of using the Liberation Sans "Combining Asterisk Above" special character was not really visible - it looked okay on my screen. Are there any other options that might work?

Regards,

Steve

Hello everyone,

I was looking at the second version of Appendix B and the checkmark
appeared just fine for me and it looked really good.

About the word "installed", I agree with Steve that it could sound
repetitive.

To this discussion, I would like to suggest a couple of options as shown in
the screenshots below:

*Suggestion 01* - Highlight the visible buttons with the Strong Emphasis
character style and indicate it in the text before the figure:
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/3RC3TMsL5aRwccL

*Suggestion 02* - Divide the visible buttons from the available ones:
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/erBHjygq5xZdg7X

Hope I could contribute to this matter.

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano

Hello Felipe, Steve and the Docs Team

After working on the Impress toolbar appendix, I have realised that putting a marker for already installed in the Visible Buttons list could be confusing for some users.

To explain as follows:
In Windows, installed tools have the icon highlighted, macOS uses a check mark.
Windows and macOS have slightly different default installations of LibreOffice.
A user computer setup maybe using a user's own style of LibreOffice installation. That means the default set of tools could be different.
Suggested solution — add information about different operating systems and computer setups (as a Note!!! At the beginning of Toolbars). No need to put a marker in the Visible Buttons list.

The Visible Buttons font was set to 10 point, but has now been increased to 11 point to match Text Body. An asterix or star is small at 10 or 11 point, that was why I originally used a check mark, then (installed). Using (installed) definitely did not look good and LibreOffice does not include a check mark in its font.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psauthor@gmail.com