Re: [libreoffice-design] Status Bar changes

Hi Paulo, Rick, all :-)

Am Montag, den 14.03.2011, 10:10 -0300 schrieb Paulo José Amaro:
> Hi Christoph, Rick, all
>
> Thank you, Christoph! I'll include these buttons in the mockup.

Oh, I have to thank you ... it's pure fun to see that much of the old
stuff can be useful (at the end).

> Rick, this is probably a great idea. I personally would like it a lot!
> Although, It may implicates some language problems, like "how to count"
> words in different languages, or even performance problems. Imagine the
> delay to count each word when you past (or delete) a long text once. Of
> course, i'm speculating about it. The real problems may be different, but
> I'm sure it'll require a wide work.

Oh, that can be solved. We already have word count functionality in
Writer, but it is rather unusable ... it presents the result in a modal
dialog. Grrr.

> From my point-of-view, it is not required to count the words
instantly ... there is no issue in waiting for several hundred
milliseconds until we can be sure the user is "idling". Concerning the
latter, I think most of the time people writing text is spend on
thinking but typing. So we just have to make sure that it is clear to
the user that the word count is incorrect (if LibO is re-counting). I'm
not sure, but I think Word works the same ...

Example:
        <black>532 Characters (Document)</black>
        ... user starts typing ...
        <gray>532 Characters (Document)</gray>
        ... user stops typing ...
        ... system is re-calculating ...
        <black>561 Characters (Document)</black>
        

Looking back, I think the largest hurdle ever was that people requested
that it counts like Microsoft Word. There are a lot of people that get
payed on a "word count" basis (e.g. translators), and the reference is
Microsoft Word. Although I have been told that it does quite irritating
stuff with regard to the punctuation ... :-)


> We could join every ideas about the Status Bar change in a wiki page to make
> it easier to know the current progress. I'm purposing make the changes in
> small steps (or versions), where each step could be a "section" in the page,
> so the developers can follow these steps in a efficient way. I think I'll be
> able to create the page tonight, but all are invited to join.

Definitively a goooood idea, but I think there is no need to hurry.
Instead, all, please also support Nik's work on the motif creation (I'm
hoping that somebody is compensating my lacking involvement *g*).

> By the way, I did a HTML mockup, so will be simple to purpuse ideas and see
> them "implemented". For now it's just CSS working, but I think we could
> include some javascript (with jQuery) to make it interactive, eg. to create
> functional menus. I can't upload it now because the FTP is blocked at
> university. Someone know a easy way to upload the HTML code and change it in
> a collaborative way (Like Etherpad or Google Docs was to text)? I'll try to
> find a solution before upload it to wiki (that seems to be the hardest way
> to work on it).

Phew, I don't know ... anybody?

Cheers,
Christoph

> 2011/3/13 Rick Hansson <rickhansson@gmail.com>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > I like this new grouping, Paulo. It make sense.
> >
> >
> > Also I would prefer to have most of the items in the status bar turned off.
> > The user should decide what goes in there. I would love to see a word count
> > for example. This has probably been discussed before (I'm new here), so in
> > that case ignore it.
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > 2011/3/12 Paulo José <pauloup@gmail.com>
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I'm thinking about changing the LibreOffice Writer's Status Bar. Just a
> > > little bit. :-P
> > >
> > > My motivation was the feeling of confusion that actually appear
> > sometimes,
> > > making me think about a new way to organize that information.
> > >
> > > I tried to capture some initial thinkings about the status bar, pointing
> > > its issues. I perceived we can categorize its information in Page,
> > Document
> > > and Selection related:
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Current-libreoffice-writer-statusbar.png
> > > For more information about the options of Writer's Status Bar, see the
> > > LibreOffice's wiki page [1].
> > >
> > > As you can see, there's some same category's information in different
> > > places. An issue, by example, it's when the user wanna know the page
> > number
> > > when scrolling the page, so it needs look at the left side, while
> > scrolling
> > > at the right side of screen.
> > >
> > > I tried to achieve a better way to organize these informations, keeping a
> > > logical relationship between them. In my proposal, the Document
> > information
> > > stay in the left site, the Page information on the right side and the
> > > Selection information stay closer to the content, in the center. Also an
> > > order that I tried to keep is "Edition" items before "Only-Information"
> > > items. This is my proposal:
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:New-libreoffice-writer-statusbar-v1.png
> > > I'd like to hear what you think about it. It's just one of my ideas
> > > concerning the Status Bar, including changing the Insert and Selection
> > Mode
> > > text to icons, and evencreating a dynamic status bar, integrated with
> > > context toolbars.
> > >
> > > But in small steps we walk longer, does not? :-) By now, I think we could
> > > just reorganize the Status Bar and improve its communicability. :-)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > ~Paulo
> > >
> > > [1] - http://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Status_Bar
> > >
> > > --
> > > Paulo José O. Amaro
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> > > Federal University of São João del-Rei
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