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Met vriendelijke groet,
With kind regards,
Boudi van Vlijmen.

*Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we
will, **in time,  stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are
not known with us, you can use the web contact form
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>.
If you are known with us you can use our signal account
<https://www.signal.org/> or* RCS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> *to chat, or we
share an cloud environment.*
===
Omdat e-mail een oud en onveilig internetprotocol van de eerste generatie
is, zullen we op termijn stoppen met het gebruik van e-mail. Als u contact
met ons wilt opnemen en niet bij ons bekend bent, kunt u het
contactformulier
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>
gebruiken. Als u bij ons bekend bent, kunt u ons signal
<https://www.signal.org/>-account of RCS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> gebruiken om te
chatten, of we delen een uitwisseling omgeving.


Op do 30 dec. 2021 om 07:56 schreef Clocked Modular <boudi@clocked.eu>:

By the way,

Gnome uses Rocket.chat.

Met vriendelijke groet,
With kind regards,
Boudi van Vlijmen.

*Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol
we will, **in time,  stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and
are not known with us, you can use the web contact form
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>.
If you are known with us you can use our signal account
<https://www.signal.org/> or* RCS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> *to chat, or
we share an cloud environment.*
===
Omdat e-mail een oud en onveilig internetprotocol van de eerste generatie
is, zullen we op termijn stoppen met het gebruik van e-mail. Als u
contact met ons wilt opnemen en niet bij ons bekend bent, kunt u het
contactformulier
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>
gebruiken. Als u bij ons bekend bent, kunt u ons signal
<https://www.signal.org/>-account of RCS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> gebruiken om
te chatten, of we delen een uitwisseling omgeving.


Op do 30 dec. 2021 om 07:48 schreef Clocked Modular <boudi@clocked.eu>:

Ravi,

You are right about signal being a centralized service.
Is Jabber encrypted? Is there a federated and encrypted alternative for
Signal?

Met vriendelijke groet,
With kind regards,
Boudi van Vlijmen.

*Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol
we will, **in time,  stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and
are not known with us, you can use the web contact form
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>.
If you are known with us you can use our signal account
<https://www.signal.org/> or* RCS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> *to chat, or
we share an cloud environment.*
===
Omdat e-mail een oud en onveilig internetprotocol van de eerste generatie
is, zullen we op termijn stoppen met het gebruik van e-mail. Als u
contact met ons wilt opnemen en niet bij ons bekend bent, kunt u het
contactformulier
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>
gebruiken. Als u bij ons bekend bent, kunt u ons signal
<https://www.signal.org/>-account of RCS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> gebruiken om
te chatten, of we delen een uitwisseling omgeving.


Op wo 29 dec. 2021 om 21:30 schreef Ravi Dwivedi <ravi@ravidwivedi.in>:

On 28/12/21 3:32 pm, Clocked Modular wrote:

 > I recommend integrating Signal into LibreOffice rather than email. We
 > should look at Google and Apple for what the market is doing. Not the
old
 > dinosaurs like IBM and Microsoft are pointing the way, but they are.

You are recommending integrating something which is centralized and in
control of one single entity(Signal) rather than something which is
decentralized and federated(email).

We can integrate matrix/xmpp/IRC chats rather than Signal. As far as the
matter of convenience or registering via phone number is concerned,
Quicksy https://quicksy.im/ can be used which is a part of XMPP family.
People who want convenience can use Quicksy and register via phone
number, while others like me who don't want to register via phone number
can register on another xmpp service(or they can have their own server)
and still talk to Quicksy users.

Signal maybe good for now but we cannot guarantee it will continue to be
as good. It is effectively a lock-in, which is a problem of
centralization. In future if the Signal service gets compromised(like
change of the owner of the company might change their values or they
might change something about Signal that you do not agree with), nobody
bothers to switch.

Quicksy is a brilliant hack which offers both convenience and freedom.

--
Ravi Dwivedi
https://ravidwivedi.in/
GPG Keys-> https://ravidwivedi.in/files/ravidwivedi.asc

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